Character Moralities!!!!!!

[mywife]

It was brought up in a plurk, and I thought it was entirely fascinating. We have such a wide range of characters in Imeeji and moralities can run wild around in these parts. There are some big obvious aspects for every character, but there are probably tiny aspects that we don't get to see everyday. I want to know all.

You can include whatever, things like what is considered good, what kind of people they find abhorrent, what kind of acts are actually the worst (it might not even be murder OHOHO!), how DO they feel about murder, ARE THEY THE LAW OR ARE THEY WILLING TO FOLLOW THE LAW, whats your dnd alignment, some other things I cannot think of but tldr I love to see people ramble, and I think it's easier to do that on dw than on plurk

I am selfish, let me read your thoughts. Ok plz ty.

(ooc: ill post a heart meme soon too since ppl were asking for it, maybe next weekend?!)

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[bevoted]

SPOILERS FOR MAKAI OUJI AND PROBABLY ALSO ENSEMBLE STARS. DOES ANYONE CARE? NO? COOL

So first off I want to just say, that the basic differences between Dantalion and Leo are really funny to me... that is to say, Dantalion is a fairly emotionally stable (in comparison to Leo) individual with a sort of... foreign/sideways moral compass, while Leo was born and raised in our modern age so his ideas of morality are pretty standard to our own but he's severely kneecapped by the fact that he's mcfuckinginsane.

Also this is all going to be real stream-of-thought-ey so I'm sorry if it's difficult to read.

Anyways starting with the easy one for me,

Dantalion/Loki

In the first place Dantalion was nnnnever a human being, he was a "giant" from norse mythology and a "god among the giants" at that. He was routinely placed above others for being "the wisest of the giants", and thus he felt completely isolated from his own kind. That didn't really make him EXTREMELY SMART by the way, because the average intelligence of giants is uh... not much. But he was still "the wisest" so it was probably like being an adult amongst a bunch of giant toddlers. I really am not CERTAIN as makai ouji is a bad series and it doesn't tell me shit about SHIT, but Solomon repeatedly states that he and Dantalion have a "similar loneliness". And Solomon's loneliness stemmed from his wisdom, from feeling like he couldn't connect to others truly, and like he was constantly responsible for everything and everyone. ANYWAYS I'M GETTING OFF COURSE A BIT HERE.

The point is that Dantalion often feels estranged from others just as a default. He very often feels like he cannot connect or be understood, and he just kind of accepts that. And that acceptance makes other people... people that he doesn't care about especially, hardly register as people. So therein lies our first hurdle to "standard morality", he was a God and a Demon and he never connected to humans so why would he have the same set of standards and sense of morals as them?

On the demon thing as well, I've already talked about this before but he was coerced into becoming a "demon", a completely foreign concept to him at the time of a symbol of "ultimate evil". Even if he was not at the time, even if he is not really evil, the more you are told that you are evil and without hope of being anything but, the more you begin to believe that. This combined with Hell Politics which essentially boils down to "dog eat dog" and the constant expectations of murder and soul stealing... your standards just get really shifted.

FOR LOKI IT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT, in some ways... worse. As Loki didn't start out with the sense of "I used to be a god/I am a demon general/I have responsibilities to things other than myself", and Betrayal hit him like a freight truck. The breaking point really wasn't the idea of "other people are dangerous" so much as he, himself, was dangerous and he didn't know what to do aside from cling strongly to the people that mattered most to him, the people that seemed to understand him the most... and that was all he cared about.

To put it simply, Loki's sense of morality kind of takes a backseat to "I want this thing and I will do everything I can to keep it". In a way you can call this selfish, in fact it is really selfish. But he can't like... care deeply about everyone. He can only care deeply about a select few, and anyone/anything outside of that narrow scope ... they're like expendable NPCs.

Tribalistic! That's the word I keep using. He's very "us vs them" and "eye for an eye". That being said... he understands the difference between right and wrong. He just accepts that he has, is, and will continue do wrong. He kind of struggled with this in the beginning as "Loki" (like, trying to desperately argue that he was right in certain situations as opposed to just purely hating xyz) but after he remembered his demonhood... well no a bit before that actually, the button game is where he started to realize that he is UNCOMFORTABLY good at murder, and more than that deciding who was "expendable" for the sake of people he actually cares about.

... if u have any questions feel free to ask but I think I should move on, i'll reply to my own comment with a Leo thing in a second here this was already a lot.